In reply to: OPE-L:[3432] Re: "Debunking Economics" and Marx's value theory Steve Keen wrote: He [Marx] then emphasises that it is vital to properly identify what is the exchange value of a commodity and what is its use-value, at least in the case of the commodity labour power: "Labour capacity is not = to the living labour which it can do, = to the quantity of labour which it can get done - this is its *use-value*. It is equal to the quantity of labour by means of which *it must itself be produced*. The product is thus in fact exchanged not for living labour, but for objectified labour, labour objectified in labour capacity. Living labour itself is a use-value possessed by the exchange value [,labour capacity,] which the possessor of the product [,the capitalist,] has acquired in trade". (Grundrisse p. 576) [emphasisand interpolation in original - PD] Steve Keen argues, here and elsewhere, that, starting from 1857, Marx employed this dialectic of use-value and exchange-value extensively. I agree that he did but he should not have done. Apart from smoking all those cigars, it was the worst mistake he ever made. What I want to get at here, therefore, is why Marx did this. In ch. 15 of "Debunking Economics" Steve Keen quotes the first paragraph of Capital I, ch. 6: "The change of value that occurs in the case of money intended to be converted into capital... must ... take place in he commodity bought by the first act, M-C, but not in its value, for equivalents are exchanged, and the commodity is paid for at his full value. *We are, therefore, forced to the conclusion that the change originates in the use-value, as such, of the commodity, i.e. its consumption.* In order to be able to extract value from the consumption of a commodity, our friend, *Moneybags, must be so lucky as to find,* within the sphere of circulation, in the market, *a commodity, whose use-value possesses the peculiar property of being a source of value.*" [emphasis added by SK] Why are we *forced* to the above conclusion? The answer is to be found within the Grundrisse passage above which Steve Keen quotes: "The product is thus in fact exchanged not for living labour, but for objectified labour, labour objectified in labour capacity." Since, here, both labour-power and the products making up the wage bundle are objectified labour, equal exchange between them is possible. The source of value then has to be something else, the use-value of labour-power. This is strange. The use-value of a product commodity is the useful article. By analogy, one might reasonably expect that the use-value of labour-power to be skill, the capacity to make useful articles, either alone or in co-operation. To say that the use-value of labour-power is the source of value is an intrusion of the material into the domain of the value-form and is deeply suspect. The root of the problem is that Marx treats labour-power as a product, with labour objectified in it. Only then can there be equal exchange between labour-power and normal product-commodities. This is Marx's monolithic value-form. Everything with a value must be objectified labour. The way out is simple, though disorientating. The commodity labour-power is not a product, i.e. not the result of the expenditure of labour-power. There is no labour objectified in it. Consequently, there cannot be equal exchange between the commodity-product and labour-power. There cannot be unequal exchange either. Equal exchange is possible between product-commodity and product-commodity, and, separately, between labour-power and labour-power. There are two separate systems of exchange equalisation The value-form must be seen, not as monolithic, but as complex, having parts with distinct functions. The product we can allow to be objectified labour. The role of labour-power is to add to objectified labour. It is the power to create new objectified labour. This turns the problem around. It is no longer a question of what is the source of value. That is labour, the expenditure of labour-power. It is now a question of what is the value of labour-power. I consider this to be the central problem in Marxian value theory. These ideas are more fully discussed in a paper I gave to the IWGVT 2000 conference. It is available at the IWGVT website: http://www.gre.ac.uk/~fa03/iwgvt/2000/ A later version with some corrections is available at: http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~pscumnud/